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	<title>Play Aids :: RE: smoke and dust</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20389#20389</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=47&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bill Owen&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:56 am (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;And Hobby Lobby packs of tiny pom poms ($.99 for dozens!) are good for micro armor sized markers for suppression.
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	<title>Play Aids :: smoke and dust</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20388#20388</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1248&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;grumble 87106&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: smoke and dust&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:02 am (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I was reading an old thread on chits that morphed into discussion of cotton balls and the difficulties of dyeing them.
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Hobby Lobby sells pompoms of many sizes and colors.  I buy large (2&amp;quot; across) black, brown and tan ones (two to a package for about $1 last I checked) and tear them apart (very easy to do).  I end up with lots of black, brown and tan fluff which can be fixed to a washer or other base.  
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The black is for destroyed vehicles.  The brown I used to use in CD3 for disabled vehicles, and the tan is for desert dust.  
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They work really well and you don't have to get ink on your hands from dyeing cotton.
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	<title>Play Aids :: RE: Order concealment</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20387#20387</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1248&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;grumble 87106&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:23 am (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Very pretty.  My only complaint was that in the confusion my British commandos were given command markers with US flags on them.  Only later did I realize that there were extras and I could have been using the Union Jack.
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I ran off copies of the markers from TOB and then glued them onto 1&amp;quot; squares of cardboard.  On the margins I can pencil in the name of the unit being used in that particular game, so there is no ambiguity.  Of course, I have to be creative with the phantom unit markers.
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	<title>General Discussion - Miniatures :: RE: 2 pounder portee</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20386#20386</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1011&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;daryl&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Karrier KT4 Field Artillery Tractor&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:42 am (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 69&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hi,
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Does anyone know of a book with pictures and information about the Indian Army Karrier KT4 Field Artillery Tractor that was used by the British and Indian forces in North Africa 1940 -1942
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	<title>General Discussion - Test of Battle :: RE: ATG limbers</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20385#20385</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=993&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Retep Yelkao&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:06 am (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Looking at CDIII's &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline&quot;&gt;Armies of the Second World War&lt;/span&gt; you see Soviet, German, French, Polish, Japanese formations with horsedrawn ATGs.  I can't see these being towed by the same limber that is used field guns so I was wondering how different in size and design would limbers for ATGs be.  I think I have the same picture of the French 25mm ATG being towed.  It looks like a large ammo crate on  wheels with two shafts and a single horse between the shafts.  I am hoping that there might be some pics out in the world wide web that people can steer me to.
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Cheers!
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	<title>Game Finder :: RE: Heat of Battle- New Orleans</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20384#20384</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=95&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jack Radey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:20 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;My, you southern boys may spell funny, but you sure do set a good looking table!  Bravo!
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	<title>General Discussion - Test of Battle :: RE: ATG limbers</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20383#20383</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=95&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jack Radey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:14 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Soviet 45mm AT guns were usually horse drawn, and not infrequently (especially earlier in the war) 76.2mm guns.  I have some photos, but not the capability to scan or post them easily (Photobucket defeated me).  Essentially you have a rectangular box, foot rests front and back, and 2 to 6 horses pulling.  Because of the amount of space taken up on the table, I usually try to do with 2 horse limbers, though I have a few 4 horse ones, and keep them for the heavier guns.  Primarily, the limber is table dressing, looking good, but cluttering the table when not in use.
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	<title>TO &amp; E :: RE: Swedish TOE question</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20382#20382</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=49&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bob_Mackenzie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:15 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I'm not sure of a definitive answer. German weapons stands have 4 MMG and 2 8cm Mortars
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I'm pretty certain that some have 2MMGs and 2 Mortars
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	<title>Play Aids :: RE: Order concealment</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20381#20381</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=49&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bob_Mackenzie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:12 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;smalltext&quot;&gt;    quote:&lt;/span&gt;     &lt;hr&gt;    I also really liked the use at Historicon (the Pantelleria game) of unit-specific order caps. Avoids a lot of confusion about remembering who gave which order to whom. &lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;      
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They were pretty too!
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	<title>General Discussion - Test of Battle :: RE: ATG limbers</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20380#20380</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=49&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bob_Mackenzie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:11 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Most ATG's are motorised
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The only gun I can think of that is consistently horse drawn is the French 25mm. I do have a pic of its limber
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	<title>Play Aids :: Order concealment</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20379#20379</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1248&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;grumble 87106&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Order concealment&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:43 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Question:  what creative means have people devised to avoid setting out Overwatch markers so obviously?  It sort of sends a message to opponents &amp;quot;Hey, these guys aren't moving, so the others in the unit are!&amp;quot;
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I guess you could be really devious and set Overwatch on some stands of a company that has a Hold order.  Keep them guessing!
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On another note, I plan to use the idea of the bottle caps to cover the order cubes. I will paint the caps tan and flock them as desert shrubs.  However, the top of the cap will have the command unit marker glued right on it.  And maybe a Pin marker inside the bottle cap!
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I also really liked the use at Historicon (the Pantelleria game) of unit-specific order caps.  Avoids a lot of confusion about remembering who gave which order to whom.
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Daniel
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	<title>Play Aids :: RE: Chart Builder Working?</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20378#20378</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=231&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;pnzr12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:27 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 35&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I'm still havig the same problem. All the links in the text work, but none of the drop down buttons are working for me. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Confused&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt; 
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Could it be the security measures on my system?
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	<title>Game Finder :: RE: Heat of Battle- New Orleans</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20377#20377</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=231&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;pnzr12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:03 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Nope, they stayed and wrecke havok.
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	<title>Rules Questions :: RE: Direct Fire HE Splash Damage</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20376#20376</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=231&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;pnzr12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:02 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Well.......it can damage the stand fired on as well. AKA eliminate it or force it back. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Wink&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;
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	<title>General Discussion - Test of Battle :: RE: ATG limbers</title>
	<link>http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=20375#20375</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=993&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Retep Yelkao&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:59 pm (GMT 0)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Not really.  Anyone who is using ATGs that are horsedrawn will do.
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Thanks
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