Command Decision - Test of Battle

General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: NOVAG Game Day, 12 February, Centreville VA

Author: Tom B.
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:35 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 2

I hope he can come, there are a *lot* of miniature gamers in the northern Virginia area.

Scenarios :: RE: Pokrovka - 6/7/43

Author: Lukw Willen
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:05 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 8

Yes. I think Trained might be underating Soviet Guard units to Experieced and raising their morale would do it. Nipe's account indicates mud as being something of a factor at this point in the offensive with Liebstandarte anzers advancing with "motors roaring and tracks throwing up huge clods of mud" (Blood Steel and Mythh P116) so perhaps incusion of Light Myud in the scenario would seem and would impose and would impose a certain amount of delay on the Gappropriateermanswho would suffer more than the Soviets whose tanks have higher movement rates du to their tracks.

Happy to help out as far as I can with your scenarios iwhere possible. Just feel free to PM me and I wll see what I have, Perhaps a series of Mius River July/August 1843 scenarios would be an interesting joint project

General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: How The Glock Became America's Weapon Of Choice

Author: Bob_Mackenzie
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:27 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 99

quote:
Originally posted by Jack Radey:
Or, as America's greatest writer put it, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics..."

Actually its attribution isn't that clear cut...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics
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General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: The missing link

Author: Bob_Mackenzie
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:25 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 11

Actually the Dinosaurs were thriving until God killed them off in order to recreate the world 4000 years ago - see both the creationists AND the evolutionist are correct
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General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: The missing link

Author: scromett
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:24 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 11

quote:
Originally posted by Gunner:
I can't believe you guys!

Everyone who's anyone KNOWS the dinosaurs became extinct because of the Discovery Channel gator hunters who trapped and killed all of them. Ole "Choot 'Em" Troy Landry did it by himself.

Sheesh, you guys...

That explains a lot!
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Scenarios :: RE: Pokrovka - 6/7/43

Author: Bob_Mackenzie
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:23 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 8

I will play the scenario through, if (and I really doubt this) the Germans fail to make any progress (ie the results of the scenario are ahistorical) then I'll upgrade the Germans.

Having said that, as its written the scenario already looks heavily tilted in favour of the Germans and I may have to fix the balance the other way
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Scenarios :: RE: Pokrovka - 6/7/43

Author: Lukw Willen
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:14 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 8

Bob

With respect please read Nipe who, as I have previously explauiined has studied the II SS Panzer Corps records not to mebtion the divisional histories. Sure, high casualties were incurred on the first day but high casualties were the norm on the Russian Front for both sides and losses alone cannot therefore be con sidered a reliable indicator of qaulity. Don't forget that the Red Army had several months to prepare their defences, lay minefelds, zero in the artillery and deploy their units to best effect

You may also want to consider the reasons for this historical bias against the Waffen |SS and how tthis impacts upon our assessment of them as fighting units.

1 During the war the army/Waffen SS rivalries
2 That the same army commanders after the wat=r had a career interst in ingratiating themselves with the victorious allies by supporting their views of the Waffen SS
3 That the Waffen SS were, with some justification associated with war crimes. Most, if not all Waffen SS were responsible for battlefield war crimes and/or against civillians.
4 Howevever some of those trials at least were based on evidence obtained using legally methods questionable methods. The events leading to the Malmedy trials are outlined in Michael Reynold's various books

Detting back to Kursk bear in ind the Soviets had moths to prepare their defences so those two Soviet companies would have been strongly entrenched, well supported with artillery and very likely with barbed wire entanglements. Even a regiment of Veteran SS Panzergrenadiers backed up with extensive artillery support would find that a tough assignment.

All German units involved in Citadel , not just IISS Panzer Korps were involved in intense fiighting on the first day and some made much lessprogress than theSS did. . Based on your logic perhaps we should be downgading 1943 Panzer Divisions to Trained or Regular becuse of their lack of progress. Or perhaps we should be considering the real reasons for this. a well prepared defensive position and an often highly notivated Red Army who,mounted a tenacius and spirited defence, often launching local counter attacks. Despite this Das Reich penetrated 6 and a half kilometers into the Soviet position on the first day (Blood Steel and Myth P 80)and that without its' armoured support. Liebstandarte did 14 kilometers and reached the Soviet 2nd line fotifiation (Blood Steel and Myth P 76. Gross Deutschland/10th Panzer brigade botched their attack., Hey, perhaps we'd better downgradeour rating of Gross Deutchlasnd to Trained or even Green.Need I go on?

General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: How The Glock Became America's Weapon Of Choice

Author: Gunner
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:50 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 99

quote:
Originally posted by Jake Strangeway:
Dudley,

Unfortunately, although I would be very interested in the factual data, I think that the data necessary to effect an accurate comparison doesn't exist.

You make some good points about hunting and being out all day - but I wonder how many people do this, and if so, how frequently - my friend Rich Hauser lives in Eastern PA and (in season) hunts at least once (occasionally twice) a month. My ex-father-in-law, for example owns an M1 and a 9mm Beretta - but they sit in is house in a safe and he never uses them.

I think the frequency of driving also varies widely due to location.

Up in NJ, and eastern PA, it is not uncommon for us to drive 1 hour each way to work. My commute time is roughly 50 minutes each way to work, and my wife's is about 40 minutes each way. In some of the major urban areas, people don't drive to work at all, and simply take public transportation.

Given the lack of data, unfortunately I don't think anyone (again - unless you have some great sources) can make an intelligent guess as to the actual ratio of hours used by each - which is a shame, because I think the topic is interesting

Jake:

Believe it or not, I absolutely AGREE with what you said above.

Yes, I know. It seems hard to believe, but I do.

There is NO way to come up with a frequency comparison - soooooooo, I guess I'm done.
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General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: The missing link

Author: grumble 87106
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:44 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 11

quote:
Originally posted by scromett:

quote:
Originally posted by scromett:

quote:
Originally posted by DurochD:
Guys: Get your facts straight. The dinosaurs went extinct because their hycrocarbon emissions caused global cooling which killed off their food sources......

The most notorious of those sources, was of course, the deaded Gasosaurus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasosaurus

Make that "Dreaded" . . .

Well, it was deaded, too, by the end.
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Scenarios :: RE: Pokrovka - 6/7/43

Author: Bob_Mackenzie
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:58 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 8

quote:
Liebstandarte, Das Reich and Totenkopf were able to spend much of the period April to June out of the line and able to assimilate/train the replacements to a reasonably high standard/ Combined wuith the existing veterans I think the crieria for a veteran rating would be met

Training to a reasonably high standard isn't the same as combat experience, and they took pretty high casualties in Day 1

It took an entire regiment over an hour to displace two companies of Soviet trainee's just before the (scenario) battle started with the support of all of the artillery regiment and a bunch of nebelwerfer

(re-reading the above I wonder if regular would be more accurate than experienced)

On a game balance point being panzer gren (rof 2) and the extra company MMG stand makes them plenty awesome enough without making them vet

Cheers

Bob
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General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: The missing link

Author: scromett
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:53 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 11

quote:
Originally posted by scromett:

quote:
Originally posted by DurochD:
Guys: Get your facts straight. The dinosaurs went extinct because their hycrocarbon emissions caused global cooling which killed off their food sources......

The most notorious of those sources, was of course, the deaded Gasosaurus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasosaurus

Make that "Dreaded" . . .
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General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: The missing link

Author: scromett
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:52 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 11

quote:
Originally posted by DurochD:
Guys: Get your facts straight. The dinosaurs went extinct because their hycrocarbon emissions caused global cooling which killed off their food sources......

The most notorious of those sources, was of course, the deaded Gasosaurus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasosaurus
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General Discussion - Off Topic :: RE: The missing link

Author: DurochD
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:35 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 11

Guys: Get your facts straight. The dinosaurs went extinct because their hycrocarbon emissions caused global cooling which killed off their food sources......

Scenarios :: RE: Hafid Ridge in 6mm

Author: Lukw Willen
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:11 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 13

Fun Foam!!??!! I am not even going to ask.

For 5mm I use green carpet tiles (sandy colour on reverse side for desert cut to suitable sizes and shape to create suitable contoured hills. Just the right height for 5mm tanks. Would probably work for 10mm as well and ok for 15mm.

For Hafid Ridge itself can I suggest Tank Combat in North Africa: The Opening Rounds by Thomas L Jentzas a good source.